The Church, State and Prop 8
November 4th saw the ushering in of the first African American President Barack Obama and for some democrats and liberals history was made in one day.
On the same day we all lost our freedom to be who we are, and to let others be married. It was the first time I was ashamed of America that illegally stripped gays of a legal marriage. On the same ballot that elected Barack Obama voters by a slim margin negated the Supreme Court of California‘s ruling only months before the election.
Back in the year 2000 voters made an amendment to the State of California’s civil code to accept only heterosexual marriages, in May 2008 the California Supreme Court repealed that amendment stating it was unconstitutional. It was a culture of constitutional conservatism.
What seems to be occurring here is they are playing ping pong with people’s lives and well being. You cannot take away the fundamental rights under the constitution from the few and gay marriage has been fought in other countries in the same manner.
The passing of Proposition 8 dissolved the hopes, dreams, lives and joy of 18,000 people in the name of religious beliefs that spearhead the fight against gays. Our society cannot take someone's constitutional rights away based on religious theory.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints donated as much as 20 million dollars alone to defeat gay marriage has been targeted for their part in defending hetero only marriages which discriminates against gays. A total of over 40 million dollars was wasted on banning gay marriages from mainly religious groups and most of the money is said to have come from the Mormon Church in Utah.
The other interesting result of the election and voters response to Prop 8 is that 70 percent of African-Americans voted to ban gay marriage as indicated by CNN’s exit polls while electing Barack Obama as their President.
The list of donors is publicly available information and lists major contributors such as Container Supply Company situated in Garden Grove which gave a huge contribution of a quarter of a million dollars.
To see the List of Donors to Proposition 8 at
The Anti Gay Black ListAll of the donors names must be made public to acknowledge the validity of the contributions in a political vote and where they originated.
The information is made available from the California Secretary of State’s Office and gay marriage supporters are now making a case of outing these individuals and their companies.
The fight is far from over and legal action is taking place in the Supreme Court to overturn the results from November 4th with a very good legal position of giving a group of people rights and then taking them away on the basis that this is unconstitutional.
California’s governor Arnold Schwarzenegger twelve days after the vote, indicated on Meet the Press on NBC that he supports gay marriage and has opposed the amendment. He advises “they should never give up” on CNN in reference to gays fighting for their right to marry.
Supporters of this referendum on this ballot who are mainly conservatives religious groups, should be aware of the illegalities of the amendment based on previously granted rights by the same Supreme Court of California. Proposition 8 can successfully be challenged in court, and reversed since it was not an amendment but merely a “revision”.
Revisions need to be passed by both sides of the government before being submitted to voters, and this was not the case. To proceed with an amendment the Senate or the General Assembly would have to pass the proposal by 3/5th’s majority of all members of all representative houses.
Since there were polls taken before the election on November 4th the results do not agree with the results of the final vote tally.
49 percent opposed Proposition 8
44 percent were in favor of Proposition 8
7 percent were undecided
These results matched the polls of Florida and Arizona which are two other states that also had similar ballot amendments.
Gays are used to fighting for their rights, and in other countries such as Canada, Spain Denmark and other states in the US have won the right to marry and are afforded all the legal entitlements awarded to every citizen of their country.
The lack of equality in Prop 8 is quite a surprise especially coming from a liberal state such as California, in which may gays are employed in the entertainment, tourist, real estate, and are the owners of many small businesses that contribute to the state economy.
Currently gays are paying taxes into a state which will not return their rights, individual freedoms and these anti gay amendments affect every aspect of their lives in a negative way.
What also has to be considered legally is the non profit designation of churches whom use their donations in a political manner, can be stripped of their non-profit status for engaging in political activities which are aimed at taking rights away from individual minorities.
The outrage of this vote has caused a major gay movement to be re-vitalized similar to the civil rights movement of the sixties for African Americans. Violence, boycotts, and major demonstrations are planned in 10 countries.
This nationwide movement for gay rights will not end, it will not go away -it will only make the gay and lesbian community more determined to succeed as did Barack Obama.
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